[Le Monstre Dans Le Gateau]: Damn I fucking hate bush. Thanks to him all my loved ones are off at war damnit

[kduncan]: Not to be cynical, KWForesight, but you might try putting some information in your house about how Bush has screwed over the American people instead of a bunch a stuff about anime, people you like, and personal likes/dislikes. Granted most people in Elftown are too young to make a difference at the polls, but a few are old enough to vote and still support Bush; and in this election every single vote is going to matter.

[to a new?]: i agree with kwforesight...all my friends are out there too...it's different when you do have loved ones out there fighting for his(Bush's) mistakes

[farfy girl]: Really, I think that the idea of anarchy is silly. I mean, there's a reason we have laws. I'm not saying that the current setup is good, but if there were no government, who would stick up for the weak, poor, and old?

[to a new?]: im not saying no govt-i just think we should get the weak poor and old to be a part of it, granted there will be greed, but at least inner problems can be heard and hopefully solved...overthrowing the govt can never happen but man if it could...would you imagine the possibilities

[Dil*]: i think they should go more liberal.

[Shee A'beanne Alainn]: Hmm has anyone here realized that there seems to be almost no one better than Bush running this year...I mean lookk at Kery...this is not gonna be a pleasent term for the states...and possibly world....

[Weedy]: well bush had his 4 years and he seriously screwed up...... kerry cant make it any worse which i belive bush is able to without even trying.....

[Shee A'beanne Alainn]: hmmm...well we donlt need somone who can;t make it worse....we need somone who can make it better....

[kduncan]: Yes, there are people better than either Kerry or Bush running, unfortunately, third party candidates don't get the media attention that the Dem's and Repub's get. Nader is a good choice, as is David Cobb, the Green Party's candidate.

[Shee A'beanne Alainn]: hmmm....its to bad about the press...ahhh...what are we all going to do....

[farfy girl]: I wasn't saying that you were for anarchy, twinskin2. I was talking to LordTerrex.

[to a new?]: oh no it's fine farfy, and what are we going to do shee? well all we can do is sit back and watch our world reprioritze or diminish...colonial times or anytime back then wouldn't be so bad to live in right now..granted they had their problems too but politics really wasn't an issue. nader is a great choice kduncan and it sucks that ppl who are 3rd party don't get the recognition and it sucks because it's ppl like that i think can turn everything around if they got the chance. we were forced into war without a questionable doubt on who will make it out...we just,well have to keep praying or something for this economy and for our lives, you know?

[kduncan]: .. and don't forget to keep pushing for Instant Run-off Voting.

[a married mistress]: i hope George Bush wins,he kicksass.

[xAcidxDesirex]: all politics boils down to is who is the best lier. i will not vote for a liar to run the most powerful nation the world. politics are just a load of Bull

[kduncan]: Tell you what, Always Tempted, when he loses the presidential election in the US, we'll package him up, send him over to Germany, and he can run for public office there.

[wiccagal]: quick question, how much money did G.W.B spend on the war?

[Weedy]: depends what war your talking about..... the war in iraq or afghanistan or both??

[kduncan]: Do you mean how much of the American tax-payers money? It hasn't been totalled up yet as the war's (either or both) not over yet, but it's already cost us several billions of dollars. The most recent tally I've seen is 200 billion so far for the US invasion of Iraq.

[Shee A'beanne Alainn]: Thats crazy, see we need to get rid of these American idoits, Im sorry but your leaders are just.....crappy. They are all as bad as the other. Whoever wins there will be another war...if its bush then Iran, if Kerry Syria. not to mention the weak platforms...al they do is diss oneanother *huffs*...its sad...especially since, as was earlier said...America is the most infuencial Country in the world currently.....

[kduncan]: Shee A'beanne Alainn, unfortunately, the average American gets his/her information about the candidates from political commercials. Few watch the debates, few research politicians records, and few truly understand any of the issues outside the two minutes it gets on the nightly news. The Americans most likely to be screwed by the politicians don't feel it's worth their time to vote, and feel their vote won't make a difference. As sad as it sounds, perhaps we've gotten exactly what we deserve.

[kduncan]: With most American households having cable TV, and having c-span available, most are tuned night after night to HBO and Cinemax. "Sex in the City" gets higher ratings than anything on CNN or MSNBC.

[Shee A'beanne Alainn]: hmmmm...perhaps...but should't you get a chance for redemption to turn yoursleves around?

[kduncan]: I think we will.. eventually. But it's going to take a whole lot of pissed off people, and most people aren't to that point.. yet.

[Shee A'beanne Alainn]: yeah

[simply sweety]: Our country is being destroyed as we speek

[Dil*]: oi..what happened to our banner thing at the top?

[simply sweety]: dunno

[Weedy]: properly the guards..... again.....

[Lord Kügenheim]: yeah, i got a message saying they had removed something. the house banner was still there afterwards though and i havent recieved a message for that...

[wiccagal]: *sighs* the war in iraq. hehe. sorry i didn't specify. i was in a rush.

[to a new?]: imitation is the sincerest form of flattery especially in politics

[wwwwwwwww]: hey guys, you know that you spelled "President" incorrectly up at the top there right? Dunno if it's worth the effort to fix.. just thought I'd let you know though :)

[Lordterrex]: there to busy hating bush to mind about spelling

[Dil*]: believe me, i always correct spelling and grammar...it's intolerable to have flaws.

[Dil*]: BUT i don't have the page password.

[Lord Kügenheim]: please tell me if theres bugs on any of the pages in this wiki. like [Dil*]said, flaws are intolerable

[BarleySinger]: This web site ( http://dossiers.genfoods.net/bcourts.html ) talks about the supreme court nominees from the Bush Whitehouse. They are a scary bunch of people.

[Peppercat]: Well, I personally don't feel Kerry is very exciting. What Terrorists need to realize is that we are crazy bastards, and we'll fight back, and not cower away. Bush showed them that. If Kerry wins, we're gonna be a pansy Country, and we don't want that. You could argue that Bush is dumb, but Kerry is too smart for his own good. You never know what he's going to be up to. I don't trust him.

[Dil*]: bush is just a puppet..someone else like his father holds all the strings.

[Lordterrex]: .. o yea.. puppets.... that reminds me.. i want to see.. umm. that one movie made by the south park people.. with puppets.. i think its called team america.. or summat

[wiccagal]: YES! TEAM AMERICA! i heard puppets and i thought of team america almost immedietely. ^-^

[Lordterrex]: o yes.. i wanna see that soo bad.. lol

[mnightshade]: if our country is worried about being a "pansy", that's sad. i thought the word for people who didn't want war was "peaceful". well, i guess the bully on the playground in kindergarten was just preparing to lead our country of crazy bastards.

[dominoe]: looks like it

[Tiezu Star]: hey, i got 2 sayins to add sumwere . . .

"Drop Bush, not Bombs"

"Fear The Bush! Weapons of Mass Stupidity"

[Lordterrex]: ...... that was creative

[Tiezu Star]: i got them from 1 person in my skol and i sign out side of a house XD

[VorpalBlade910]: lol the second one rocks

[mnightshade]: yeah, the second one is very good and amusing. does anyone read the debate/discuss section, or did i just write too damn much?

[dominoe]: heee-hee

[to a new?]: i actually think the second one is funny too..there is a store 'the alley' that sells inflatable Bush so you could use him as a punching bag..it's pretty awesome..a "must buy"

[dominoe]: sounds good

[dominoe]: huh?

[to a new?]: what's the huh about

[Maurer's conclusions]: What Bush needs to understand is that "strength and wisdom are not opposing values." - Bill Clinton

[Tiezu Star]: hey, there was a poll done on MTV and the results were thus John Kerry: 61.1% and George W. Bush:39.9 . . . wow . . . good statistics :P

[to a new?]: damn straight

[mnightshade]: it just kinda hurts in that place where your common sense lives (the brain- maybe) that those 39.9% are still passing for human, much less driving around in the sane person's world.

[dominoe]: thats true

[Ruriko Inoyuki]: can i join?

[dominoe]: join wat?

[Some Random]: bush sucks ass man

[Goldice]: u sure can.BHA u idiot wat do u think

[Lordterrex]: .... goldice.. ull hurt sumone.. lol

[Goldice]: uthink i give a....?

[Tiezu Star]: omg . . . im being forced to do a project for skol right, we hav to do a biography sheet and presidents stands on issues, we hav to do both and im REGRETING doin bush, but then we r allowed to bash one of em and well, u get the picture XD and then we get to write an essay on the canidate of our choice and i think u can think of wich i'll pick ;-)

[Lord Kügenheim]: not like there isnt enough stuff in this wiki to do an essay on Bush ^_^

[Tiezu Star]: so ur sayin submit the kerry essay and the bashin bush article then?

[Lordterrex]: ok u guys, as much as i love arguing with u, im afraid im becoming a bit liberal... *shakes fist at u guys for rubbign off on me*... soo.. i wont be arguing... or joing... o k

[Tiezu Star]: hu?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????     :?

[kduncan]: I knew you had some good in you somewhere LordTerrex! ;)

[wiccagal]: yay ebing liberal! *waves a flag from out of nowhere that says liberals on it* hmmmm.....how did that get there? oh well! *continues to wave flag*

[dominoe]: right.......

[Maurer's conclusions]: Why are you afraid of being liberal?

[dominoe]: huh?

[bluefarie]: that's a cool quote...

[kduncan]: Most interesting quote I've read today: "Why is it that when an ordinary citizen hears voices telling him to kill people, we lock him up for the safety of both himself and the community; yet when Bush hears voices telling him to kill, fundamentalists rejoice and pretend he was chosen by God to be president?"

[Peregrinus]: Hehehehe... that's wickedly good...

[kduncan]: heh.. this next is from none other than http://www.fema.gov/kids/nse/. Yes, that's OUR (US) government site. "What is terrorism? Terrorism is the use of force or violence against people or property to create fear and to get publicity for political causes. Acts of terrorism include: threats of violence, assassinations, kidnappings, hijackings, bomb scares and bombings, and the use of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. Targets for terrorism include government buildings, large airports, big cities and national landmarks. Terrorists might also target large public gatherings, water and food supplies, and utilities such as electric plants."

[Peregrinus]: Sounds kinda like our own dear lovely government. What a shock!

[kduncan]: Yeah. I hate to state the excrutiatingly obvious here, but ::cough:: shock and awe ::cough::

[Rondel]: Hmm... ...hands up anyone whose government has used nuclear weapons on foreign soil in an act of hostility! <notes the lack of non-American hands> Anyone else here been watching the documentaries on things like the end of WWII, and the fact that Japan was prepared to surrender BEFORE the US dropped those two bombs? And the terms of the surrender were the same that were accepted AFTER the bombs were dropped? I think that the definition above makes clear what kind of an act that counts as. The leukemia rates in Japan must make fascinating reading for the people of Afghanistan, North Korea, Iraq, et al. It's always useful to know what the biggest bully on the block has done before...

[dominoe]: the goverment in america sucks

[Rondel]: Aids in the White House are documented as having kept Nixon away from the "red button" more than once when he was under the influence of alcohol and drugs -- but what's to keep someone drunk on "the voice of God" from doing the same thing? I think Bush knows what he can get away with, once America gets used to war, used to being the lynchpin in the balance of power in the world, and used to the idea that *anything* can be justified in the name of carrying out God's will through the hand of the American military. And that scares me.

[dominoe]: drugs in the white house

[Rondel]: Well, of COURSE drugs in the White House -- haven't you ever studied that era at all? Several different administrations (from the Kennedy government through Nixon and Ford -- see also "Betty Ford", founder of the substance abuse clinics) were so rife with alcohol and various psychotropic drugs that one of the primary duties of the aides was to cover for the officials' chronic use/abuse of the various substances involved, and prevent them from steering the ship of state straight into an iceberg, so to speak. Bush ("Dubya") himself was an alcoholic, until he substituted one addiction for another, and transferred his addictive behaviour to the fundamentalist Christian beliefs he now holds.

[dominoe]: not really

[kduncan]: Bush has also admitted to using cocaine, and considering the time period he was in college, I wouldn't be surprised if he's smoked more than a few ounces of marijuana in his lifetime. People who have addictive personalities don't suddenly become non-addictive, they merely trade one addiction for another.

[kduncan]: What's scarier than Bush are Rove and Ashcroft. I've been following Ashcroft's career since Bush senior's days in the whitehouse.. it's absolutely frightening to think that someone like him can hold a position of authority in our government.

[to a new?]: your right kduncan..that is actually new information for me...how did that subject come about and how did you all find the info...bc that gets me really heated..how can you talk about cleaning up america when the president is helping our increasing criminal list by doing drugs...our president is supposed to have a 'perfect' life or want to go after one and then i get word of this sh*t...i'm sorry but someone pass me a j and maybe just maybe i'll give it back...just thinking about smokin a spliff and that the president could be doing the same...that's fucked up

[kduncan]: I don't necessarily believe that he's doing illegal drugs while in the whitehouse, though if it was discovered he is I wouldn't be surprised; I do believe that he has a virtual pharmacy of anti-depressants that he depends on. I believe he was drinking heavily in the recent past too (as in "while in the whitehouse") though I think he's cleaned up the alcohal problem at least temporarily. His complete absense of coherency during the recent presidential debates gave me pause to wonder about his "legal drug" problem.

[kduncan]: The cocaine issue came up during his campaign against the True President of the US, Al Gore. Bush admitted to having used cocaine, but stated that he hadn't used it since (I believe) his father had been in the whitehouse.

[dominoe]: is it true

[to a new?]: what a crock...first of all think he's the stupidest person in the world that made a huge ass mistake bc he being the leader of whats wanted to be drug free communities shouldnt of said anything remotely to having used it at all and if so also stupid enough to give a time frame...what a leader and sorry to say it but to some people hes a flippin role model...let me tell you we're all saints compared to this one...k-how long have you been on here debating

[to a new?]: what a crock...first of all think he's the stupidest person in the world that made a huge ass mistake bc he being the leader of whats wanted to be drug free communities shouldnt of said anything remotely to having used it at all and if so also stupid enough to give a time frame...what a leader and sorry to say it but to some people hes a flippin role model...let me tell you we're all saints compared to this one...k-how long have you been on here debating?

[dominoe]: down with bush

[kduncan]: You mean me, twinskin2?

[dominoe]: why?

[to a new?]: o actually wasn't done, my computer gliches suck, but yes down with bush and yes you kduncan...check out this guy [Snowboarding Hobitz]. you'll like him

[dominoe]: cool

[kduncan]: I'm not sure I really debate, I just point out Bush's failings as appointed president, and point out the current administration's hypocracy. Bush hasn't done a thing on his own his entire life; he's been carried along by his family name and fortune, and has been propped up by his father's friends. My daughter is running for class president, and she asked me what qualities I would want to see in a president. I told her honesty, self-sacrifice, personal integrity, intelligence, and the ability to stand up for what is right in the face of adversity. I don't see any of those qualities in Bush.

[to a new?]: that is awesome that you said that, bc when you read that you know how right on it is...what happened to presidents such as Honest Abe, and the others that actually did things for america...what do you think on terrorism? i think everything now is classified under this subject and its just not fair to be so. some of the bombings and such would just happen and now its terrorism all a sudden bc BUSH HAS NOTHING ELSE TO BLAME IT ON and he of course won't BLAME HIMSELF which i think he should, see i think he's the MAIN ONE AT FAULT.

[to a new?]: there is no other way to look at it at this point

[to a new?]: sorry i had another glich/to continue...at this point after 4 years we need major reconstruction and hopefully KERRY can give it to us

[to a new?]: well im out...if you want to message my home, its cool...i'll check up on you cool cats later..peace

[dominoe]: Three cowboys are fighting together in a meadows. The first one, John, is a good shooter, he kills his target 2/3 of the time, and miss one third of the time. The second, Slim, is an average shooter, whose chances to kill and miss or even. The third, Bob, is a poor shooter, he only kills his target 1/3 of the time. They look at one another in silence... They still look... Sweat starts pearling one their faces... OK. Anyway. Their rule is the following. They shoot in rounds. One shot per round. They always shoot at the best shooter but themselves. They do as many rounds as neccesary so that either they all die or only one remains alive. Who has the most chances to survive?

[kduncan]: I think there are a couple different kinds of terrorism. There is the kind we see perpetrated by people in power to exert control over the general population; and then there is the kind perpetrated by desperate people who use terrorism as the last resort available to them. Neither is acceptable, but the former is particularly reprehensible. I feel that Bush is a terrorist; he has based his entire re-election campaign on the "fight against terrorism". He keeps (many) Americans in fear of what would happen under an administration that promotes international discussion and cooperation rather than knee-jerk reactions to adversity.

[kduncan]: It's scary to think that Bush would not have a platform to stand on if 911 had never occurred.. sort of makes one wonder, actually.

[dominoe]: i heard bushs iQ is 98

[Dil*]: really? and i always thought it would be at least -98.

[dominoe]: thats wat i said

[to a new?]: i say the good shooter has the chances to survive...and dominoe you said pos 98, dilandau is saying neg 98.

[Maurer's conclusions]: The average shooter...

[to a new?]: why do think average...?

[bluefarie]: bush is dumb like that....

[Maurer's conclusions]: The guy who shoots 1/2 and the guy who shoots 1/3 will both shoot against the 2/3 guy. The 2/3 guy will shoot against the 1/2 guy. So the 2/3 guy will die, because 1/2 + 1/3 = 5/6, which is more than 4/6. With the good shooter dead, the average one will kill the weaker one.

[FiSHr.]: hm...... all i can say is that u really should go to.....http://www.bushflash.com/.   

[to a new?]: damn...that is a good answer..i didn't think of it like that at all..

[bluefarie]: what r u ppl talking about???

[to a new?]: we are talking about the comment that kduncan had made earlier today...read a little higher adn you'll figure it out

[FiSHr.]: i agree with u all

[to a new?]: thats cool...this is just an awesome thing to have sometimes..im proud that people like us get this chance...

[to a new?]: but i am off for home...have a good one everyone

[FiSHr.]: c ya

[Tiezu Star]: omg . . . i went to www.bushflash.com and i watched the "Liberation" one and i was like . . . YOU CAN SHOOT INOCENT WOMEN WALKING DOWN THE STREET! cause there doin that in the flash . . . that is like the most emotional one

[Tiezu Star]: Oh yea, do you people want a country ruled by someone who egts atacked by a PRETZLE!!!!

[Goldice]: can someone go to Mary Had A Little Lamb please and tell me if it works ok?

[to a new?]: it goes to the page yes

[Lord Kügenheim]: she meant is it any good. i think

[to a new?]: yes its good...different versions to the same theme song to mary had a little lamb..its actually cool..

[Goldice]: i thought it was interesting

[dragonslayerRx]: I urge you ALL to read the editorial from the Chicago Tribune listed in at my home page at the top of my Descrip

[FiSHr.]: some of the slideshows are sad some are funny

[Blue Fish]: ? why can't there be more then one runner in the 04' Election ??

[Maurer's conclusions]: There are 3... The two-party system dominates the USA, which is quite sad, since it doesn't allow for any liberal parties, since the race is dominated by to conservative candidates.

[kduncan]: There are far more than three candidates vying fo rthe president's office in the US presidential election, in Florida alone there are six or seven presidential candidates on the ballot. And the US doesn't have a two party system, though the Republicans and Democrats would likely argue that point, it's a multi-party system. The Democratic and Republican happen to be the two largest parties, not the only parties.

[dominoe]: wow

[Rondel]: Functionally, though, it's a two-party system. They're the only ones who ever get elected. By contrast, under the Australian system, votes are cast as order of preference, and if your first choice doesn't get in, your vote isn't lost, it still goes on to count for someone else, your second choice. And, if a few representatives of a third party get into office, they can wind up being a swing vote of sufficient size that neither major party can get anything passed through government channels without them, making the result a "coalition government". In other words, there're still 2 major parties, but voting for someone else doesn't mean that your voice goes completely unheard, as in the US.

[simply sweety]: who in here is voting or if they were old enough would vote?

[kduncan]: Instant Run-off Voting, as it's called in the US, is being pushed by many of the third parties. Under the Electoral College system, as the US now has, it's entirely possible for a candidate to win the popular vote.. and thus be the people's true choice for president.. but lose the Electoral vote, and thus the election. Candidates (mostly Dem's Rep's) who are against IRV are not truly for democracy, and want to keep third parties out of the government loop.

[kduncan]: Of course I'm voting. I'd rather have my vote truly count as opposed to leaving the presidential decision to the Electoral College, but I'm voting none the less because it's important in local politics.

[to a new?]: i agree with kduncan. this is actually my first year voting and quite frankly this election being so important, im scared to see what my vote will end up doing for this world.

[Rondel]: I'm really ticked off with the fact that there doesn't seem to be a way for me to re-register to vote, as I'm a US citizen living in Australia, with no US address at this time (or for the foreseeable future). That means I *can't* vote, although I most definitely would be, if I could. Oh well, I could be black and living in Florida -- then I'd be just as likely to mysteriously fall off of the voter rolls, anyway (thank you Jeb Bush). Speaking of which, how many people here know the role Jeb Bush (Dubya's brother) plays in the election process, given his position as Governor of Florida (remember Florida? The state that resulted in the appointment of a president by fiat, last time?)?

[Rondel]: [kduncan], what exactly is IRV? Is it similar to the model used here in Australia, or is it simply direct democracy, dispensing with the outdated (and useless, save to manipulators of the democratic process) Electoral College? Can you recommend a good website for those of us who might want to learn more, or should I just Google the term?

[kduncan]: Are you talking about the purging of the voter rolls, Rondel? Or maybe about the company that makes the software for the computers the ballots will be cast on supporting Bush's campaign? Or maybe about how a Bush brother is a partner in the company that actually oversees the purging of the voter rolls?

[Peregrinus]: gah... don't make me puke...

[Rondel]: With regard to Jeb's role, I did not mean a single specific one of those -- more his overall role, as a result of his combined actions. On the other topic, it should not be necessary for black Florida voters to vote by absentee ballot, in order to make sure -- in advance of the election -- that they have not been inaccurately removed from the voter rolls, and thus prevented from voting; yet this is precisely the step that many (mostly Democratic) black voters in Florida are having to do, in order to protect their legal right to vote in the upcoming presidential election. That's a pretty bad sign, IMHO. No, I couldn't pick only one item to complain about, of the sea of problems in Florida.

[kduncan]: You have to admit though, they played the last election pretty smooth. Katherine Harris DID admit to mistakes being made on some (some 40,000 to 90,000 names, the exact numbers unsure even now), but only AFTER dubya was sworn in, and only AFTER it was "too late" for those names to be returned to the voter rolls for the Florida gubernatorial election. I hate to hold my nose and vote for Kerry, I'd like to vote for Nader or Cobb, but sheesh.. I hate worse to see Bush get another term as president.

[wiccagal]: Yes. And just a quick question. Why would Cheney get so upset about Kerry talking about his daughter being a lesbione if he was the one who brought it out into the open in the first place? I mean if he didn't want people to talk about it, then he shouldn't have told everyone. He shouldn't gripe about it-he's the one who told everyone so it's really his fault. And besides, Kerry was complimenting their family for being so strong and not caring about what the public thought. So why should he be so offended? Not only was Kerry complimenting him, but it wasn't as if he got all this information from digging into family business. If he had, I would have understood Cheney's viewpoint.

[Rondel]: I know the feeling, [kduncan]. Last election, I voted my conscience, and I've been wishing for the last 4 years that I'd gone with a vote for the person who was not Bush, and who had a chance in Hades of winning, rather than a protest vote for the person I most believed in. As for Cheney, why he's upset is fairly obvious; his support is firmly based in people who will see his family's acceptance of their daughter as inappropriate, rather than as a positive. It's only positive if you are "liberal enough" to think that <eek, gasp> lesbians are people too, and deserving of the love and support of their family. That's not the party line, so *he* feels like he's been "outed" - as "a liberal".

[Tiezu Star]: @.@ wow . . . i missed A LOT

[kduncan]: IRV is instant runoff voting, Rondel. It sounds like the system used in Australia. In IRV you can make a number of choices, and your choices would count in the order in which you made them. If your first choice doesn't make it, your second choice becomes your new "first" choice, and so on. A person would have to get at least a 50% majority of the vote in order to be elected to office. We (the resoanable voters in the US) can only hope that the (outdated) electral college goes the way of the stone wheel. You can learn more about instant runoff voting here: http://www.chrisgates.net/irv/

[Rondel]: Yep, sounds like the Australian system -- at least, insofar as I understand it at this point. I'm not entirely familiar with the ins and outs of the system, but then, we're not Aussie citizens yet, so we're in the non-voting limbo of the ex-pat. <sigh> Thanks for the link!

[bluefarie]: i always miss a lot....

[Whiskers]: John Kerry's so much more qualified for being the President. George W. Bush lost last time, but he cheated himself into office.

[Lord Kügenheim]: So he probaby will do this time also. its going the same way. Kerry and Bush are neck to neck with only Florida undecided.

[kduncan]: I doubt Florida's undecided, I'm sure Jeb (dubya's brother) has already decided that dubya will get Florida's electoral votes.

[bluefarie]: yep

[to a new?]: tomarrow is the day our lives change...im a tad bit scared

[FiSHr.]: same i fear G. bush will win.... hope he doesn't..... eeeeeek

[Peregrinus]: Well, tomorrow they either change, or stay the same. Let's hope for change.

[to a new?]: change is good....well most of the time

[simply sweety]: kerry better win tommorow or our country is going down the drain...infact you kiss it goodbye

[Peregrinus]: Meh... so tired of political bullshit...

[simply sweety]: me too man

[Rondel]: There was an INCREDIBLE documentary on Kerry here sometime in the last couple of weeks -- I wish I could mass broadcast it on every channel in the US. I've seen this vote described as two warmongers, one versus the other, with only outside candidates left... ...but Kerry is no war-monger. Anybody here know about his record as an anti Viet Nam war protester? He served there, and distinguished himself, then came back and worked with others to tell the truth about the atrocities being committed (an incredibly difficult and cathartic effort on the part of the vets involved -- it was almost like mass confessionals in every major city in the country), and to work to get the war stopped.

[Dil*]: what was it called?

[Rondel]: It was on a documentary/research journalism series called "The Cutting Edge".

[Dil*]: er no idea..i don't watch T.V.

[Rondel]: I watch a lot of educational TV, documentaries, research journalism, etc. It's not my sole viewing fare, but since my family and I live a pretty isolated life, it's one of our few links to information from the outside world. Since I can't touch or breathe around newspapers, I'm really grateful for the quality of the informational TV here in Australia. I *never* used to watch the news in the US. Too biased. Then too, one of the other things I like about our TV here is the "World Movies", on SBS. When you've seen a culture through the eyes of it's own people, it's harder to view those people as alien, evil, or enemy. They're just people, with hopes and dreams... ...and a lot of grief...

[dominoe]: wow

[Dil*]: just that T.V. pisses me off these days..i can't stand half the shows they put on...

[Peregrinus]: Some are all right, but lots are crap...

[FiSHr.]: KERRY Please WIN

[Peregrinus]: Well, I voted for him this morning.

[FiSHr.]: GOOD (kerry you mean right)

[De Vierde Macht]: can someone tell me where i can folow the results on line (PM me)

[Peregrinus]: Nope! I voted for Richard Nixon's head! (yes, I voted or Kerry.)

[Peregrinus]: But yay Futurama...

[FiSHr.]: sry i sounded dumb

[Peregrinus]: Heh nah that's okay. I was just making reference to that show Futurama, by the creators of The Simpsons. In it, the disembodied head of Richard Nixon is presidant.

[FiSHr.]: lol

[Peregrinus]: yup

[FiSHr.]: *panics and throws chickens aroud room

[Peregrinus]: Ooooooookay then...

[FiSHr.]: the chickens are cooked

[Peregrinus]: Um... good to know?

[FiSHr.]: u want one o and i have cooked leg of bush

[Peregrinus]: Heh, I dunno... I hear leg of Bush causes cancer...

[FiSHr.]: ahh

[De Vierde Macht]: hey people, where cani folo wth eelections online?

[Peregrinus]: I'm afraid I don't know that. Dreadfully sorry.

[De Vierde Macht]: darndid. i can see it on CNN, but dunno when the first results wil lcome in

[Peregrinus]: Probably not for quite a while yet.

[De Vierde Macht]: when wil teh first results be shown? (in CET)

[Peregrinus]: Not sure.

[De Vierde Macht]: to bad

[Kitakaze]: vote me for president!!! <poll:35785>